tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post6780073466464078931..comments2023-08-26T09:02:18.026-04:00Comments on Meanwhile.......Back at the Ranch: Personal Opinion -Ranch Managerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-41636609508126721772009-08-21T23:24:53.037-04:002009-08-21T23:24:53.037-04:00We must work together to develop a humane end of l...We must work together to develop a humane end of life for American horses. Stop lamenting the end of the inhumane horse slaughter system, It is done. The EU regulations and Americans will see to it. American horse owners are not going to force EU regulations on 9.2 MILLION American horses for those that want to profit on 100,000 in the inhumane horse slaughter system that could end at any time. And even if they try to regulate all 9.2 million American horses, how many would make it to an auction without ever having had an owner designating the horse as not for slaughter? It is absurd to even think that 9.2 million American horse owners will be willing to pay for 'regulations', passports, recording fees (they aren't going to do it for free forever) for our horses which we don't eat.Vickynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-47632309721935329012009-08-21T17:58:00.453-04:002009-08-21T17:58:00.453-04:00Makes you wonder how ALL those horses survived all...Makes you wonder how ALL those horses survived all those thousands and thousands of years without a VET.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-72577865685588151072009-08-21T12:19:43.298-04:002009-08-21T12:19:43.298-04:00Sinikka and Twyla from the Canadian Coalition Agai...Sinikka and Twyla from the Canadian Coalition Against Slaughter were guests. These two have been IN the Canadian slaughter houses. They have been through the gut piles. They have found more and more horse heads with NO bullet holes or captive bolt marks. They were asked what that means? It means they were not even temporarily stunned. They found small internal organs that were identified as less than a week old. They are killing babies. <br /><br />The men in the new facility in Bovary take off their shirts to kill horses. They LIKE the blood splattered on them. They have a glass catwalk over the killing area so the kill truckers and everyone can WATCH!<br /><br />They talked to the killers in the slaughter houses and overheard conversations and they REVEL in what they do, hurting and stabbing and killing horses. They LIKE it. Those horse killers are not just soulless deadened beings, they are sick. How can they be any more debase? <br /><br />They told of the horses being unloaded. They were not wild and untrained, they were trusting, willing, and easy to handle. They stand for days in deep filth waiting their turn, without food or water. When the blood soaked killers would walk by their pen, the horses in there would all come over to them, reaching out, expecting to be treated fairly and kindly because that is what they have had from people in their past. What a sad and huge betrayal for those animals to be there. <br /> <br />www.blogtalkradio.com/Howling_Ridge_RadioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-58342967441872291572009-08-20T19:08:27.692-04:002009-08-20T19:08:27.692-04:00Oh Mrs. Ranch Mgr. We post true information and yo...Oh Mrs. Ranch Mgr. We post true information and you just skip around it and oh yes concerned that it wasn't stated from the horse butcher that they are hung up by their back leg and alive for the butchering process..WHAT DOSE BLOWING BUBBLES IN THE BLOOD MEAN TO YOU....ALIVE MRS. RANCH MGR. WHY DON'T YOU VISIT A HORSE SLAUGHTER PLANT YOURSELF MOUTH <br />WE DID. WHY DON'T YOU GO TO SHELBY FEEDLOT AND LOOK AND ALL THE CULLS 2 TO 10 YEARS OLD THAT WILL GET BUTCHERED ALIVE....BECAUSE OF OVER BREEDING AND GETTING RID OF YOUR CULLS.<br />YOU ARE DESPICABLE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-35552415697739493032009-08-20T16:12:39.060-04:002009-08-20T16:12:39.060-04:00rh1
"I am curious as to why in the discussion...rh1<br />"I am curious as to why in the discussion of ivermectin.....It is used both in feedlots and cow/calf operations extensively.<br /><br />It has a 48 day withdrawl.<br /><br /><br />You think concretely and now show your ignorance and poor reading comprehension.<br /><br />And just to complete the story: Guess why the manufacturer of ivermectin did not do the safety studies of this drug in horses?<br />BECAUSE HORSES ARE NOT RAISED FOR FOOD IN THIS COUNTRY!<br /><br />rh1: Do yourself a favor and go back to school. You might even learn something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-15104654978939481812009-08-20T13:09:51.623-04:002009-08-20T13:09:51.623-04:00"Horse slaughter is a horse's worst night..."Horse slaughter is a horse's worst nightmare," say a group of vets (Veterinarians for Equine Welfare). It's not just the slaughter but every aspect of it, start to finish. Nor is it humane. As my own equine vet says, If a horse needs to be put down, don't send it to slaughter. Slaughter is NOT euthanasia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-2086135747807929912009-08-20T00:02:44.594-04:002009-08-20T00:02:44.594-04:00I read the EU documents. The only way you are goi...I read the EU documents. The only way you are going to comply with the regulations is to raise horses for slaughter the same way you do cows. That means no racing, no performing, no working and no service. Anything other than being raised as a food animal and the horses won't be accepted. They can't be used for other purposes and then become food. Either they are raised for food or they aren't. Can't have it both ways. If you are going to have non food animals, they require routine medications and many of those are banned for food animals. What don't you understand?<br /><br />As the vet said, they are going to test organs. If there are drugs, the carcasses will be disposed of. As many posters have said if they have received a banned drug at any time in their life, they cannot be slaughtered.Doug C, ILnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-55907705806953747892009-08-19T23:27:45.734-04:002009-08-19T23:27:45.734-04:00The manufacturer of ivermectin did not perform the...The manufacturer of ivermectin did not perform the safety studies in horses. <br /><br />Copied from the good Vet's response earlier.<br /><br />There is no withdrawl period for horses because no research has been done.LMATTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-16603445939306062892009-08-19T22:45:36.636-04:002009-08-19T22:45:36.636-04:00I am curious as to why in the discussion of iverme...I am curious as to why in the discussion of ivermectin our advising vet has failed to mention it is the ingredient of choice in many if not most cattle wormers. It is used both in feedlots and cow/calf operations extensively.<br /><br />It has a 48 day withdrawl.rh1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-67557315826874889482009-08-19T22:30:20.406-04:002009-08-19T22:30:20.406-04:00I think I'm going to bow out here, too, I don&...I think I'm going to bow out here, too, I don't think we'll get anywhere if people aren't actually going to read what we've written....so last post, and I'll try to get everyone in. We'll begin with "Anonymous Vet"....interesting that you don't feel confident enough about your opinion to give your name, but I'm sure you are a vet, why would you lie about it, right? You took the time to quote what I said, but not the time to read it, I suppose. I said the horses are not being medicated, wormed, or vaccinated. So, what should I report that is duplicitous? If the Canadians on here taking notes have the reading comprehension that some of the posters on here have, I have to say I'm a little worried, they'll come away all bassackwards....Hopefully they can understand what's been posted.<br />On to Doug C......You're kidding, right? Have you read a paper, logged onto a Forum, gone to a sale? There are more cheap or free horses available now than ever before. Check out any Feedlot and you'll find you have your choice of some very nice horses at some very low prices.<br />I think you're missing the point. Don't feel bad, others have, too. With the EU regulations in the future, there will be an incentive to keep horses Med, wormer, and vaccine free to supply the market. Again, it's not my evil plan, it's just something that is going to happen. I'm sure you've seen those recipes for natural fly sprays? I personally use them, as well as fly masks, and can honestly tell you I have not had one case of fly impaction in all my years of horse ownership. It may also surprise you to know that there are horses that can work without drugs. It may sound crazy, but it's true. If you allow them to mature, break them at the proper age, and if you don't overwork them, many can put in a full day's work and be just fine. <br />Doug, how do you think the EU is going to determine whether a horse is free of drugs? Perhaps you should take a look at some of the information available before posting again. <br />Sweetlillena...you didn't post to me, but I just had to comment that any vet - oh excuse me, Federal Veterinarian who posts to someone to STFU really can't be expected to be taken seriously. Why not post your name, and where you work? I'm sure your clients would be very impressed with you.<br />Coeurdefer....You're just funny!<br />Have a good time, all, and I hope some of you take the time to read the article that started all of this posting. Please feel free to read some of the newer articles, also.ritanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-22166754241919355002009-08-19T21:07:55.129-04:002009-08-19T21:07:55.129-04:00BTW.. thankfully you aren't in charge of the P...BTW.. thankfully you aren't in charge of the Pew or other polling activities, because the wording of your "poll" is a unscientific joke. But I suspect that comment will lost on you just like the issue of bute, wormers, etc.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-90476848393044973782009-08-19T21:05:22.006-04:002009-08-19T21:05:22.006-04:00Hey rodeo queens! Ain't nothin' funnier th...Hey rodeo queens! Ain't nothin' funnier than a dog chasing a parked car, repeatedly!... unless it's a human defending US Equines going to human consumption horse slaughter. You have been debated, fact on point beaten into the ground, rebutted and yet, the stupid just keeps on giving. Sorta like a hornet kiss that doesn't sting, but sure gets annoying like a fly in your kitchen.<br /><br />How does Ron White put it? ..."you can't fix stupid!" All the vets in the world can't fix the stupid that is this blog/antihorse site. Face it Ranch Manager (which I absolutely find priceless because you don't OWN it, YOU manage it...what a kick in the pants!) Go buy a paper or book...see what you might find. And no, National Enquirer, Cosmo or Maxim don't count....nor does AQHA Horse Abuse Monthly. But I suspect you are a daily kool-aid subscriber for horse abuse. Your "links" say it all.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-58275861627934787972009-08-19T20:51:58.051-04:002009-08-19T20:51:58.051-04:00Ranch Mgr,
The anonymous vet is correct. STFU. ...Ranch Mgr,<br /><br />The anonymous vet is correct. STFU. Hint: from another (federal veterinarian).sweetlillenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01132420831192390125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-68992045053456592552009-08-19T16:20:46.011-04:002009-08-19T16:20:46.011-04:00Ranch Manager:
Once again, as a vet I need to inf...Ranch Manager:<br /><br />Once again, as a vet I need to inform you that banned drugs DON'T HAVE A WITHDRAWAL TIME! The 180 day quarantine does NOT apply to banned drugs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-48655181273696794582009-08-19T16:18:40.921-04:002009-08-19T16:18:40.921-04:00Ranch Manager:
You are an indescribable breed. Th...Ranch Manager:<br /><br />You are an indescribable breed. The label does say so! If you were so curious as to why the label says so, all you have had to do is a google search on the manufacturer of ivermectin and READ. <br /><br />Do you have a farm? If so, I feel sorry for the animals on your farm. You are so lazy and disinterested about ivermectin that you have to get free information from a vet rather than look it up yourself! This country is in big trouble!<br /><br />Given your attitude, I bet your vet assuages your ego but just agreeing with everything you say if he wants to keep your business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-31977443163384063622009-08-19T16:12:38.542-04:002009-08-19T16:12:38.542-04:00I think many of you are totaly missing the point o...I think many of you are totaly missing the point of the 180 day "quarentine". The EU has stated the 180 day time period is for withdrawal time. They said it not me.<br /> Your missing another point I made earlier too... This will be my last comment on this post as these comments have little or nothing to do with the post written by RH1. <br /> Great job as usual RH! I found the post interesting and informative. If it's any consolation I think a few of us did comprehend it.Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-13307455496525899572009-08-19T15:58:45.794-04:002009-08-19T15:58:45.794-04:00"The manufacturer of ivermectin did not perfo..."The manufacturer of ivermectin did not perform the safety studies in horses. Therefore, the answer to your question is not known."<br /> Thank you. That makes more sense than "the label says so".Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-81198626024085941832009-08-19T15:51:23.209-04:002009-08-19T15:51:23.209-04:00Ranch Manager:
The manufacturer of ivermectin did...Ranch Manager:<br /><br />The manufacturer of ivermectin did not perform the safety studies in horses. Therefore, the answer to your question is not known.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-78929425314711115072009-08-19T15:49:48.244-04:002009-08-19T15:49:48.244-04:00Ranch Manager,
I practice standard veterinary equi...Ranch Manager,<br />I practice standard veterinary equine care. I don't feel that "homeopathy" has any role in keeping horses worm-free (make sure you understand that the operating words here are worm-free). The VetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-4766997504130876272009-08-19T15:48:54.338-04:002009-08-19T15:48:54.338-04:00Wow "Vet" I asked an honest question and...Wow "Vet" I asked an honest question and got sarcastic bullshit. Thats ok though, I have a real vet for my horses and cattle so I'll ask him next time I see him.Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-78997661606469565442009-08-19T15:46:14.032-04:002009-08-19T15:46:14.032-04:00As a vet, it will be very interesting for me to se...As a vet, it will be very interesting for me to see US horses gain weight without wormer medication (as an example) and be suitable for the meat plants in Canada."<br /><br /> You aren't a horse vet are you? or is it that you have never heard of alernatives or homeopathic care? Or you are one of those vets that pushes lots of meds....Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-11794063452345008172009-08-19T15:44:58.510-04:002009-08-19T15:44:58.510-04:00Ranch Manager,
Sorry, the post should read: iverm...Ranch Manager,<br /><br />Sorry, the post should read: ivermectin is NOT allowed in horses sent to slaughter for human consumption. The VetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-65974061886389356962009-08-19T15:43:56.995-04:002009-08-19T15:43:56.995-04:00Ranch Manager,
The point is that ivermectin is no...Ranch Manager,<br /><br />The point is that ivermectin is now allowed in horses sent to slaughter for human consumption. READ THE SIDE OF THE BOX. Horses are a different species than cattle (if you hadn't noticed).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-3902138004769022932009-08-19T15:42:38.577-04:002009-08-19T15:42:38.577-04:00This will be my final post. As a vet who upholds ...This will be my final post. As a vet who upholds the highest standards in terms of the animals I treat, I am disappointed by the duplicitous nature by some owners who feel they can pull a fast one by keeping horses out in the pasture and allowing banned drugs to leave their system. What these low lives don't realize is that drugs never leave an animal's system. <br /><br />It angers and saddens me that there are people who don't care about rules and regulations and feel they are above the law. What these people don't seem to understand or feel guilty about is that because drugs remain in animals and therefore the meat, these drugs slowly but surely poison human beings over a long period of time. I wish these people would put themselves in the shoes of those who will be eating contaminated horse meat, meat that escapes detection by the most sophisticated technology, and ask whether they would like to be poisoned over time without their knowledge. For example, bute, the most common drug to treat musculoskeletal injuries in horses, has been shown to be a carcinogen and cause blood element disorders in humans.<br /><br />Maybe one poster on this site is correct. The United States is overbreeding stuipity. I can promise that if I find out who is breaking the law, I will push for criminal prosecution. There is no excuse for anyone, stupid or otherwise, to scoff at existing laws and commit such atrocities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-60018331287901386062009-08-19T15:40:45.374-04:002009-08-19T15:40:45.374-04:00Anonymous(vet) - Do wormers work/metabolise differ...Anonymous(vet) - Do wormers work/metabolise differently in cattle than horses? Ivermec (ivermectin) for cattle has a withdrwal time on the label...Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.com