tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post6910035869814788035..comments2023-08-26T09:02:18.026-04:00Comments on Meanwhile.......Back at the Ranch: Gee It's Quiet in here...........Ranch Managerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-7099558449687330672009-09-25T20:46:14.830-04:002009-09-25T20:46:14.830-04:00No Anonymoass,go to the animal angel's web sit...No Anonymoass,go to the animal angel's web site, look at the investigations, yes use your internet skill and READ. Shelby Montana, is the biggest. There are feelots all over the US. Taking in horses fattening them up for slaughter and they have been doing it on a large scale for years. They take foals too and wait till they are 5 months old give or take and then they go. Feedlots are nothing new. It's a place where you can drop your over bred horses aka unwanted. They are being butchered alive...what you and others seem to ignore. They will be used in death and you'll make a buck on their torture. WASTE? yes you would think that. that's the problem, they are nothing more to you than something to throw away. You don't care that they are over bred and meet a horrendous death....I do and so do many other horse owners...we care about our friend and companion. We don't look at our horses like a side of beef. You will never justify horse slaughterLINhttp://americansagainsthorseslaughter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-69310019587237048742009-09-25T15:15:16.000-04:002009-09-25T15:15:16.000-04:00Lin.... you so need to get off the internet and ta...Lin.... you so need to get off the internet and take a look with your own eyes and stop reading things that people want you to read that are so untruths. First.. Sheldon is a layover for horses going to Canada. yes it is a feedlot.. but not used at a feedlot per say a place to put a horses to gain weight. or to wait out its 120 days to slaughter. OH yes it will happen.. you can bet on that. I am even thinking on putting a feedlot in for horses here. but now when the thin horses come into the sale.. they will go to feedlots to fatten up. And some will still go to Mexico as some SH will still kill without the 120 day layover... but you know what the good thing is.... NO WASTE... the horse will have a use in death as well as life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-25691909470398798432009-09-24T17:42:28.940-04:002009-09-24T17:42:28.940-04:00correction Shelby take a look at them 2 to 10 yea...correction Shelby take a look at them 2 to 10 years old.Linhttp://americansagainsthorseslaughter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-23286216151537081112009-09-24T17:40:09.385-04:002009-09-24T17:40:09.385-04:00oh news for you Anonymoass, they are in feedlots....oh news for you Anonymoass, they are in feedlots....take a look at Sheldon Montana the biggest one in the United States it holds 1,800 horses at one time. You can just drop them off, and get a couple of hundred bucks. They were sending horses to Mexico to get stabbed in the spine till they dropped, when Dallas Crown and Cavel were still open. They send more down there than anywhere else. Go to this site and read all about it. http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/.You and your kind did this and are still overbreeding and sending your cast offs to a horrific death. Why don't you amit your wrong and help stop this despeciable business.Linhttp://americansagainsthorseslaughter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-27800673598992936712009-09-22T06:36:25.771-04:002009-09-22T06:36:25.771-04:00Come April there will be a turn around, anti horse...Come April there will be a turn around, anti horse aka pro slaughtr. You will have to take responsibility for your horses. Like the majority of horse owners. You are a very small percent. Horse were sent to Mexico and Canada for slaughter when our plants were still open. Go look at the reports, how many went to Cavel, how many went to Dallas Crown and how many went over the boarder,..Its right there in black and white, how many culls you let get stabbed in the spine, how many you let get hit with a captive bolt that don't work on equines. They wouldn't take the time and care to shoot a horse in the head. We have been screaming about this for years and you did nothing, you still do nothing but whine.Linhttp://americansagainsthorseslaughter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-91533274054999359342009-09-21T12:46:04.776-04:002009-09-21T12:46:04.776-04:00J. Doe, John and I wrote that press release - we a...J. Doe, John and I wrote that press release - we are the EWA. We wrote the release before we had the letter from the EU commission when the news first broke. The 180 day quarantine is for horses that have not received banned substances. If they have received banned substances they can NEVER enter the food chain. That is only phase 1 of the regulations and is in lieu of full health papers. Within three years, all horses will have passports (or something similiar) to prove chain of ownership and complete health records from birth.<br /><br />If you go to the EWA site, to Howling Ridge Radio and listen to the July 29 program, you will hear it straight from the mouth of a director of Natural Valley in Canada. Our release was based on his comments and initial comments from the head of the red meats division at CFIA. If you read the EU commission letter on my website or the EWA website, you will see in black and white that horses that have banned substances are prohibited from entering the food chain. This is also the policy of the FDA.<br /><br />Again, apology accepted.vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-12766332908752176882009-09-21T11:25:46.659-04:002009-09-21T11:25:46.659-04:00WRONG VICKI..... VERY VERY WRONG....
CHICAGO, (E...WRONG VICKI..... VERY VERY WRONG....<br /><br /><br />CHICAGO, (EWA) – The European Union (EU) and Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) have announced that the rules on slaughtering horses for human consumption are about to change radically due to concerns regarding contaminated horse meat.<br /><br /> <br /><br />The new EU rules will become effective in April 2010, requiring that either slaughtered animals have complete health records showing they have not received banned substances OR a 180 day quarantine for the horses. Claude Boissonnealut, head of the CFIAs red meat programs, has indicated that Canada will likely abide by the 180 day quarantine, as mandated by the EU.<br /><br />you see the OR in there vicki.... OR.... 180 days and the horse can go for slaughter... so horses will be sold to go to feed lots for 6 months and then slaughter .... will not stop slaughter but i am thinking that horse meat will go up in price... feedlot.. or feeders.. may go down in prices.. but it will still go on.<br /><br />SO STOP YOUR PISSING MATCH.<br /><br />J DoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-59920845861754266032009-09-20T23:50:36.100-04:002009-09-20T23:50:36.100-04:00J. Doe. WRONG. A horse that has received a banned ...J. Doe. WRONG. A horse that has received a banned substance cannot enter the food chain. There is no withdrawal period. Those are the EU regulations and the FDA regulations.vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-42450234725125872602009-09-20T22:03:54.511-04:002009-09-20T22:03:54.511-04:00OK vicki and anonymous.... it dont matter what any...OK vicki and anonymous.... it dont matter what any of them say... 6 months in a feed lot and they can go to the slaughter house.. IT DOES NOT MATTER....<br />so get off the pissing match...<br /><br /><br />J Doe.. MontanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-35826746004388235352009-09-20T20:56:25.327-04:002009-09-20T20:56:25.327-04:00Yeah, it sucks to be wrong, Anon. Look at the link...Yeah, it sucks to be wrong, Anon. Look at the link I posted. Read slowly - it IS zimecteringold. I think the drug company would know better than horsemen. They produce the drug. <br /><br />Apology accepted.vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-15179616367063335792009-09-20T18:06:56.252-04:002009-09-20T18:06:56.252-04:00Ok Vicki.. I went and looked... I guess your looki...Ok Vicki.. I went and looked... I guess your looking at the OLD Zimecterin... The NEW one is <br />ZIMECTERIN GOLD.... and the only warning is the one that is copy and pasted... CHECK IT OUT... dang sucks to be WRONG.. dont it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-26085886652047734492009-09-20T18:02:20.533-04:002009-09-20T18:02:20.533-04:00You know vicki.. I might have missed it.. BECAUSE ...You know vicki.. I might have missed it.. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THERE... That is copy and pasted... just as it was on the web site., So wonder how old your info is???????? mine came out in the new Horsemen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-77019397805556717852009-09-20T12:32:46.696-04:002009-09-20T12:32:46.696-04:00Anonymous, kudos to you for keeping up the image o...Anonymous, kudos to you for keeping up the image of the anti-horse folks twising and lying to suit your purposes.<br /><br />I just went to the ZIMECTERIN website and you managed to copy and paste everything EXCEPT one small detail. READ THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE WARNING. This is straight from the drug company's website: http://zimecteringold.horse.com/pdfs/label.pdf<br /><br />WARNING<br />Do not use in horses intended for food<br />purposes. Not for use in humans. Keep this<br />and all drugs out of reach of children.<br />Refrain from smoking and eating when<br />handling. Wash hands after use. Avoid contact<br />with eyes. The Material Safety Data Sheet<br />(MSDS) contains more detailed occupational<br />safety information. To report adverse<br />reactions in users, to obtain more information,<br />or to obtain a MSDS, contact Merial at 1-888-<br />637-4251.<br /><br />Curious how you missed that...vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-53787973867326757172009-09-20T12:16:23.282-04:002009-09-20T12:16:23.282-04:00Vicki.... This is what I use now as it is safe for...Vicki.... This is what I use now as it is safe for horses that MIGHT be used for food... and it is better for the horse then Bute is.. so tell me.. how long before every horse owner is using this? and then what are you going to say.<br /><br />alternatives to Bute with proven clinical efficacy and fewer adverse effects are available and should be considered. McConnico suggested substituting firocoxib (a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug that targets cyclooxygenase-2, without hindering reparative enzymes) for Bute, as she says it is safer and equally effective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-69993908580332878872009-09-20T12:02:37.162-04:002009-09-20T12:02:37.162-04:00Ya know vicki.. i just dont know waht bute says on...Ya know vicki.. i just dont know waht bute says on the label.. guess i will have to check it out.. but you see I DONT USE BUTE.. so well guess i am not thte one to ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-46391583636287168762009-09-20T02:01:05.715-04:002009-09-20T02:01:05.715-04:00And what does bute say on the label?And what does bute say on the label?vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-24562141442177312582009-09-20T01:39:52.139-04:002009-09-20T01:39:52.139-04:00OK here we go... this is the Warning label on Zim...OK here we go... this is the Warning label on Zimecterin .... note.... says not one thing about it not to be used in horses intended for food... just says.... NOT FOR USE IN HUMANS...... so now what are you ANTI's going to use for your anti slaughter mith?<br /><br />Doesn't your horse deserve the most comprehensive parasite control? There are more than 40 species of equine parasites1--and ZIMECTERIN(R) Gold (ivermectin/praziquantel) is approved to treat and control 47 species and stages--more than any other brand.2,3 Plus all ZIMECTERIN Brand products are backed by a 100% Product Satisfaction Guarantee.<br /><br />Warning: Not for use in humans. Keep this and all drugs out of reach of children. In horses there have been rare reports of swelling and irritation of the mouth, lips, and tongue following administration of ZIMECTERIN Gold. These reactions have been transitory in nature. Do not use in other animal species as severe adverse reactions, including fatalities in dogs, may result.<br /><br />* Anoplocephala perfoliata<br />1 Yazwinski TA, Powell J, Jones S. Internal parasites of the horse. University of Arkansas Cooperative Extension Service. FSA3096-PD-1-05N<br />2 Based on data provided on the ZIMECTERIN Gold label.<br />3 Based on data provided in FDA Freedom of Information summaries.<br /><br />(R)ZIMECTERIN is a registered trademark of Merial. (C)2009 Merial Limited. Duluth, GA. All rights reserved. EQUIZIM930Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-81196606821332495012009-09-19T15:51:28.084-04:002009-09-19T15:51:28.084-04:00Ranch manger, you asked me what my involvement was...Ranch manger, you asked me what my involvement was. You didn’t ask me to impress you so I’m not sure why you had to throw that in. You asked and I answered. I am not out to impress anyone nor am I looking for recognition. Most of what I do is behind the scenes. It’s not on my website and I don’t post it on blogs. Many of us do research and when it’s published, we don’t care who releases the info or whose name is on it. Nobody is out to take credit and maybe that’s the difference. We don’t get paid for what we’re doing. We do it because we feel it is what’s right.<br /><br />Yes, I was on the defensive because every time one of us says we currently don’t own a horse, without fail, the next comment is then you don’t have any right to be involved or you don’t know what you’re talking about. I was merely pointing out that owning a horse does not mean they are knowledgeable, especially on horse slaughter. There are still owners that don’t know it exists and what’s even more mind boggling is there are congressmen and senators that think a ban was passed. They’re the ones that would be voting on the darn bills and don’t know…<br /><br />The VEWs white paper on the captive bolt is exemplary and agrees with the AVMA that is should be used for emergency purposes. The anti-horse groups have twisted the study and continually state that it is an accepted form of euthanasia. First, the bolt does not kill, it stuns so it is not euthanasia. Second, if you read the AVMA study nowhere does it state that it is acceptable for mass slaughter. The study was done in a controlled environment, with horses as secondary and the bolt was administered by vets. That in no way, shape or form deems the bolt acceptable in slaughter houses. Even Mr. Anti-horse himself and current AQHA lobbyist, Conrad Burns has stated the bolt was not appropriate for horses. They are taking a study that was by vets, for vets and twisting it’s usage to suit their purposes. If you read the AVMA brochures and literature, they state a horse’s life should be ended by euthanasia administered by a vet.vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-89142443047481483352009-09-19T08:44:19.834-04:002009-09-19T08:44:19.834-04:00You are unbelievably defensive vicki. I do agree w...You are unbelievably defensive vicki. I do agree with not owning horses that you can't keep at your own place, if I didn't have my acreage I wouldn't own any either.<br /> As far as the comment about VEW, I generally stick with credible sources for information. The AVMA and AAEP have been around for many years and are certified organizations. VEW can't even take the time to update their own web site (important legislations were last updated in January of 08) It appears they have 11 vets in support of them....11. Sorry they have not proven themselves to be a credible source of information. <br /> As for your list of resources, we know that there are pro horse and anti slaughter people in every aspect of the industry we also know that there are emotion driven factually impaired people in every aspect of the industry. I could spout of the same resources and then some. So you might say I am unimpressed.Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-50771281597492683292009-09-18T15:53:27.242-04:002009-09-18T15:53:27.242-04:00You can try to discredit posters all you want. Whe...You can try to discredit posters all you want. Whether they own or horse or not does not make information credible or not. My family owns a farm. They raise livestock and crops and got me involved in the slaughter issue. All of their horses work the farm and when they can no longer work, they are retired, not slaughtered. A few have been sold over the years but to private buyers and they keep track of them. After they discovered the dirty little secret of slaughter, they make sure they retain the right to take the horse back. They, like any responsible horse owner, realize the horses have helped them earn a living. If you are trying to find out if I currently own a horse, the answer is no. I do not have the property I need and would not trust stabling my horse off my property. I sponsor two rescued horses, I support Old Friends, I work on rescues, adoptions, fundraising and recently became involved in the wild Mustang efforts. If there is an issue that I am unfamiliar with, I have hundreds and hundreds of people to call in the industry - rescues, vets, trainers, ranchers & farmers, race tracks personnel, race horse owners, jockeys, trainers, individual horse owners, a few breeders, two breed associations, a hauler and one kill buyer. You dismiss everyone that doesn’t share your views whether they are in the industry or not. As an example, the anti-horse folks will only quote the AVMA but totally ignore the VEW that has renowned AVMA vets. <br /><br />Is there anything else you’d like to know?vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-42559045610557700882009-09-17T17:33:29.918-04:002009-09-17T17:33:29.918-04:00(Ranch manager, I thought this discussion was abou...(Ranch manager, I thought this discussion was about horses.)<br /> Did you read the post? This one was more about people.<br /> No other blog necessary, it was an example. Even you aren't stupid enough to have missed that are you? If so I believe Rita clarified it in her comment. All I can say about the rest of your comment is that you have the sides switched around....you are describing most of the anti-slaughter people I have had the dubious pleasure of meeting on line. <br /> You stil have not answered my question. What is your involvement in horses other than the slaughter issue.Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-61342953787851921942009-09-17T12:08:29.508-04:002009-09-17T12:08:29.508-04:00Anonymous, sorry, by CA I meant Canada.Anonymous, sorry, by CA I meant Canada.vickihttp://www.vickiobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-45720052346630952722009-09-17T11:50:48.121-04:002009-09-17T11:50:48.121-04:00Wrong, anonymous. When horses are in transit IN th...Wrong, anonymous. When horses are in transit IN the US, they fall under US law. If they leave the US in DDs, they are violating the law. The Canadian director did not even mention CA, nor did I. He was talking about the horses coming into his country for slaughter from the US. They stopped the DDs. <br /><br />You are changing the subject. You posted the 2001 law and said everything was fine. You are ignoring the fact that since 2001, the violations continue. I cannot respond to everyone’s comments in one post. Interesting that you say I focus on slaughter. The drug, transport and cruelty issues are all related to slaughter. If slaughter didn’t exist, you wouldn’t be discussing them.<br /><br />Ranch manager, I thought this discussion was about horses. If you want to change the subject to other laws that are broken, not pertaining to horses, shouldn’t you start another blog?. And you are brilliant, as well. We are well aware of the anti-horse tactic of changing the subject. But I give you credit, usually it is abortion. So in your entire post, you did not address the violations that continue to occur since the 2001 law and thus, avoided addressing the issue. Very good, ranch manager.vickihttp://www.vickitobin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-51960762087450741292009-09-17T07:51:42.668-04:002009-09-17T07:51:42.668-04:00Ranch Manager, very good point. There are a lot of...Ranch Manager, very good point. There are a lot of things that we have laws against. People continue to break those laws. It's an unfortunate fact of life. There will always be that small population who will just not get it no matter how many laws are passed, and no matter what we say. The solution is never to punish everyone. That has been the message of the Pro horse side all along. Did we know that there were transport violations? Of course we did. Many of us were working very hard to get the laws enforced better. We didn't see closing the plants as the solution, but we were working just the same. The Anti Slaughter view of Slaughter being an outlet for those who are greed driven has nothing to do with it's purpose in the Equine Industry. And it really has nothing to do with those who will continue to break the laws that are on the books. When the Anti Slaughter side is unable to separate these facts from their opinions, they are unable to work towards common sense solutions. I completely understand their frustration at the complete failure of their plan to get the plants closed in America. They have to blame someone for their lack of forethought and understanding, why not the Pro horse side? But laying blame will not stop them from making the same mistakes over and over again. That is where my concern lies, and that is why I continue to try to opne a dialogue with them. If you listen to them talk about the transport legislation they wish to have passed, HR503, or the EU regulations, it's clear that their failed efforts on behalf of the American horses have taught them nothing. It appears that as long as they can find someone else to point the finger at, they will continue on as they have, and the horses in America will pay the price.Ritanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1981780833943704182.post-49737947285464026762009-09-16T09:01:36.914-04:002009-09-16T09:01:36.914-04:00vicki said "Good one, anonymous. So you say a...vicki said "Good one, anonymous. So you say a law was passed in 2001. Excellent. Care to explain the 10 months of abuse and cruelty from January 1, 2005 to November 17, 2005?"<br /> UM .... that really is kind of silly. I mean isn't murder, rape, theft, etc... all illegal? Care to explain how all of those things are still happening? Speeding in your car....illegal, care to explain all the speeding tickets given out? Vicki, You really are brilliant you know. OH and just in case you don't get sarcasm.....that was it.Ranch Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230951347227450112noreply@blogger.com