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to freedom are men and women of zeal, well-meaning, but
without knowledge or understanding.”
~Justice Louis Brandeis~

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~Jenqu~

Ranch meaning, in general, any real world dwelling probably not involving full care board. Kind of a rural voice of real horse owners, trainers, traders, auction owners, rodeo contractors, etc.. all of us who have taken a verbal beating and called greedy ass hats. Back at the Ranch contributors, moderators, subjects, and so on, are pro-horse, pro-owner, and pro-slaughter.
Back at the Ranch was formed by a group of like minded horse / livestock owners. It is a place for us to try to educate, a place to vent our frustrations with the current equine industry, a place to share humor and snark, and in general try to open the eyes of the public who seem to be anti-agriculture.We do have a section for comments of course, and if you would like to email us you can do so directly or through the contact us form. We like to hear from our readers. I hope you enjoy reading our blog as much as I enjoy managing it.
Sincerely,
Ranch Manager
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Tuesday, August 18, 2009

I Need Some Information - Facts

Just a quick post today between barn work and riding. I have seen over and over again people posting that USDA does or does not classify horses as livestock, that the FDA does or does not classify horses as livestock. I have tried to find an actual classification of animals on USDA, FDA, and thomas law websites. I have found no formal classifications on any of the Federal Gov. websites. My State has a very black and white classification but from what I hear not all states are as informative as mine.
In looking for the information I did find several places on the USDA site that refers to horses as livestock, as seen in a previous post. I spent time last night and early this morning, waiting for daylight, on the FDA site. I find several places where "horses, mules, and other equine" are refered to as meat or food animals. I also saw a publication about goats being called pets but are livestock much like horses. So can ANYONE please find and provide some links to the official classification of equines by the USDA and FDA? You can email them to me or post them in comments.
Thanks to all so far who have participated in our poll, and thanks in advance to anyone who can give me some info on Animal classifications.

7 comments:

  1. http://www.bayequest.info/horsetalk/livestock.htm

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  2. The U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Census of Agriculture reported that there were 1,911,859 farms in the United States in 1997. Over two-thirds of these farms—1,315,051 farms (69 percent)—reported livestock inventory or livestock sales. Farms with livestock vary widely in the number and kind of livestock on the farm. Some raise few livestock, primarily for home consumption. Some are predominately pasture-based operations with livestock types such as beef cows, horses, sheep, and goats. Others are predominantly confined operations with livestock types such as fattened cattle, milk cows, swine, chickens, or turkeys. Many of the farms with livestock also raise crops, but others specialize in livestock production and have few acres associated with the farm. A few farms raise specialty livestock types such as ducks, geese, fur-bearing animals, fish, honeybees, and exotic livestock. The majority of farms with livestock are small relative to livestock production, but some farms are quite large, generating sales of livestock products in excess of a million dollars annually. Some farms specialize in a single livestock type, especially the larger farms, but many farms have several livestock types.

    http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Technical/NRI/pubs/livestockfarm.html

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  3. Q: Does the definition of CMPAF apply to material derived from livestock other than cattle?
    A: The new rule applies only to cattle (bos taurus, bos indicus) and buffalo (bison bison) and not to other livestock species such as sheep, swine, or horses. The rule may have an indirect impact on how renderers handle other species, depending on how individual rendering companies respond to the rule.

    http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/GuidanceComplianceEnforcement/ComplianceEnforcement/BovineSpongiformEncephalopathy/ucm114453.htm

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  4. Might as well ditch your poll now. The poll cheaters have showed up from ABR.

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  5. Anonymous the poll needs to stay but yes I understand the comment of "the poll cheaters" Funny thing, when I went to ABR and discussed my veiw, far more politely than these folks here, I was banned from the forum. They didn't want to associate with the likes of me, yet here they all are.....hmmmmm

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  6. http://www.californiastatehorsemen.com/enviro/enviro-report.htm this is older, but has a lot of information in it. i'm not sure if it's what you're looking for.
    i will say, that in my searches, i did not find anything stating horses were classified as companion animals by the usda. i'm going to continue, and check into what the fda's position on this is.
    i do want to make a comment on what "anonymous" said about the poll cheaters. this is why we can't possibly get anything accomplished as far as slaughter is concerned. I've noticed that even when there are really good, informative articles written here, such as the author's opinion article that was posted a few days ago, many of those who are opposed to anything they THINK we stand for just go off and start posting without even giving the author the respect of reading what they've said. That article just happened to have many good, solid points. Instead of addressing what was said, we got into a discussion about the EU regulations and slaughter, of course, which was touched on by the author, but not the subject of the article.
    There are those on the anti side who feel that if they put a term in quotations, such as "unwanted horses", it somehow makes the facts into fiction. Or if they twist words, they can somehow win. This isn't a win lose situation. There are people here who are pro horse, who just want to be treated fairly, and who want what's best for the horses we own. Those on the anti side who made the monstrous error of closing the plants in America without having the forethought of figuring out that the horses would still go to slaughter elsewhere, are now trying to lay their blame at our feet. I can understand the guilt they must carry for what they did, but it is now time to move forward and work to do something positive. Instead, they continue with this kind of behavior. They spend hours, and days padding polls, writing letters, attacking people they don't like, and in some case, threatening them. Then they wonder why there are those of us who would chose not to be associated with them in any way. Trying to make something appear to be different is an old anti ploy, but it never changes the facts. And it doesn't help the horses. I don't know why they can't see that.

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  7. g810girl - I agree with you completely. It is sad to see so much time wasted on the ploys....

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